Restoring an 81-Year-Old Omega Watch Co. Tissot. Will it run?
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- Vintage Tissot restoration and history. If you're interested in owning this watch, it's up for auction here on eBay. Feel free to check it out. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/295797425444
Today, we'll be delving into the intriguing history of Tissot watches, Omega's baby brother, so to speak, from the 1940s. Join us on this journey as we revive the legacy of a vintage Tissot watch and explore the intricate history it shares with Omega, its renowned counterpart. We'll also go through a comprehensive restoration and servicing process.
This particular model boasts a Tissot Cal. 27, originally made from 1936-1949, a Swiss, 15-jewel movement-a testament to the rich heritage of watchmaking.
There's something truly special about these timepieces. It's as simple as it is elegant, these watches hold a unique charm. If you're interested in venturing into the world of watch repair, this restoration project might give you a place to start.
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Oil used
Light oil (escape wheel/third wheel/fourth wheel/balance pivots): Moebius 9010
Heavy oil (centre wheel/barrel arbor/barrel/motion work): Moebius HP 1300 or Moebius D5
Pallet oil: Moebius 941/2 and Moebius 9415 pallet grease (for fast beating watches over 19,800bph)
Mainspring: Moebius 8200 grease
Keyless work and upper crown wheel: Moebius 8301 grease
Cleaning agents
Elma - WF Pro Watch Cleaning
Elma Suprol Pro
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00:00 Introduction and history
00:33 Hands of and getting the movement out of the case
02:02 Disassembling the backside of the watch movement
07:11 Disassembling the keyless, motion and calendar works
08:17 Cleaning the watch parts
10:00 Winding the mainspring!
12:20 Reassembling and oiling the back of the main plate
18:08 Reassembling and oiling the dial side of the watch, keyless and motion works
23:01 Cleaning and fitting balance more oiling
26:33 Completing the escapement, does it tick?
28:16 ReLume the hands first try
31:33 ReLume the hands second try
33:49 Finishing up. Timegrapher results and a look at the watch on wrist 
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I have come across this watch at auction looking for something of a different, budget maker nowadays, Mathey Tissot. Hope you will get much more for this than it is now as your passion is priceless. Probably you would be able to make a watch from scratch like Roger Smith himself. Amazing brains, skill and love of the watch making craft.
I'm not quite there yet. Roger Smith is an extraordinary watchmaker. Thank you very much for your kind words, and good luck on your hunt for a watch.
Love all the history you threw in there!!!
Good to know, thanks for taking the time
Interesting video and a great vintage watch. Thoroughly enjoyable. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
I have watched all of your videos and really enjoyed them. You are doing a great job. Keep up the good work. Thank you
Thanks, will do! Glad you enjoyed the videos
Very enjoyable video. I absolutely love the history lesson at the beginning. Best of luck with your auction.
Thank you i'm happy you enjoyed it
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Thank you it made me laugh thank you very much for the kind words
magnificent video, thank you for it
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very impressive restoration, beautiful Tissot I missed the auction, Maybe next time if I get lucky, and the lume works for me,,alright my friend until next time... great content as always...
Thank you for stopping by. As always the kind words are very much appreciated.
I love Tissot I have the seastar had it for about 5 months now hasn’t missed a beat
I have one also great watch!
Nice video again👍🏻😃
Thank you glad you liked it
Great service 👍
Thanks Dale appreciate that.
I was always taught never to oil the pallet pivots and never have. It has a negligible effect in the short term but as the oil ages it makes quite a difference to amplitude.
For recreating an old vintage Lume, I have a lot of old coloured chalk sticks which I scrape into the mix, it gives a nice texture
Yes, I'm sticking with not oiling the pallet pivots. Thanks for letting me know. I never thought about chalk; I'll give that a try, thank you.
Great job, great video!! Appreciate the research you also do ahead of the video to recount the history of the watch brand in question.
I think the case was in too good condition to re-plate, so the watch looked much better as original.
Definitely do not oil the pallet fork pivots. The pallet fork motion is just a short angular movement, so oil is not needed here. Oil just slows down the ping of the pallet fork, especially over time.
Love the wooden tweezers. That to me is a video of its own and probably a first for RUclips.
I fully understand your apprehension about adjusting the beat error. It is a gamble to rotate the collet on the balance staff after decades of fitment. I have seen first hand how fragile a collet can become. Sometimes, it's best to leave as is. There will be doubters, but you do what feels right!!
I recall you bought 2 vintage Tissots!! Will the second one be a keeper???😉
Keep up the good work!!
Thanks for the advice. I normally don't oil the pallet pivots; I just wanted to check in with more experienced people, so that's good to know. For me, if the watch self starts every time on the first wind and the amplitude and timekeeping are good, then I won't risk the beat error adjustment on a watch this old. The second Tissot is all mine, going right into the collection box where it belongs.
Wonderful restoration
Thank you!
The first movement I played around with was a cal 27. Good vid, reminded me of that.
Good movement, good watch glad you enjoyed it.
I think it looks great!
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Hermosa pieza, un gran trabajo de restauración, estos relojes tienen historia, alma.
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Hello David, imho I would not oil the pallet fork rubies. I heard that with bigger movements (pocket watches) they did put some light organic oil on them until the 1940’s. But out of experience these older movement do also run the best (as friction less possible) without oil there. You have to check the rubies for roundness and play and height (in Dutch ‘hoogtelucht’), but their restricted ticking/‘turning’ movement is best served dry. Grtz, Peter
Hey, Peter, nice to hear from you! Thank you very much for the advice; it's much appreciated. I normally don't oil them; in fact, I think I've even told people not to in the past. I just wanted to check in with the more experienced people to make sure I wasn't giving bad advice or doing it wrong. Thank you again.
I think the pallet fork should be oiled in a watch before 1900 . I have watched many watch videos . I have been a collector for 8 years and do all the repairs .
Suggestion: cover the end of your peg word holder with a nice layer of rodico to prevent it leaving dust and to pick up any stay fibers. Love the videos.
I shall give that a go great suggestion thank you.
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Thank you no point pretending to be something your not, I give it a go and hope to learn something every-time i get something wrong
Really enjoyed the video. Beautiful Tissot. Personally, I’m too risk adverse to deal with radium. Thanks again.
Thank you, the radium does not bother me but i can totally understand why you would not want to deal with it.
Been lurking into vintage watches for daily drive, mostly USSR ones... But I heard of many having radium... So, I guess not gonna risk with THAT jazz xD
Thanks for great content as per usual, ST!
You can find vintage watches with no radium just look for something with no lume on it. Thanks for the kind words
@@Saving-Time Kudos on that tip!
The pop up text information in your video is very useful. You could add what oil type you are using for the current operation. From what I have read, the pallet pivots are usually not oiled unless specified by the manufacturer. I just finished servicing a Seiko 7S36 movement and the instructions do indicate oiling the pallet pivots.
I will try and add the oiling information to the next video. Thank you
Great job David! You are a man after my own heart, you make tools where you can and don’t feel you have to spend hundreds of Euros when a few will do. I prefer to use a plastic probe rather than peg wood where I can to reduce peg wood crumbs. I liked your pins trick, I might try that. I notice you clean exactly like I do, same machine, same cleaning fluids. I don’t find it cleans as well as I would like and sometimes the jewels look like they have perspiration on them, tiny bubbles of fluid on them after cleaning. Also drying doesn’t help. Have you experienced this?,could you do a video on cleaning in detail? How do you dry parts? Cheers, Boyd.
Plastic probe seems like the way to go; why did I not think of this! As for cleaning, I spin the parts in a cleaning basket, which is basically just a basket connected to a stepper motor and a contraption I built. I use a hair dryer while the parts are spinning. I'll do a video on it at some point when my contraption does not look like an explosion at an electronics factory. Thanks for the kind words, mate.
@@Saving-Time Thanks! You are very welcome for your time and effort!
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Crown and ratchetwheel before the pallet fork to avoid strain on the train when tightening the crown and ratchet wheel indeed. My yoda said "thou shalt not oil the palletfork pivots".
yup that seems to be the consensuses thanks very much for taking the time to let me know
(fellow hobby watchmaker here) tissot 27 movement was one of the first watches that I have worked on, and back then I did not know better than to oil the pallet fork pivot jewels with 9010. turned out - at least on my pretty old and tired specimen - that not oiling them gives extra 20-30 degrees of balance amplitude. I have never oiled those jewels ever again on any watch :)
regarding holding down stuff with pegwood and leaving residue - get yourself one of those hard plastic sticks, they're called "component probes" at Cousins. they're excellent for holding down bridges and poking at things, I use pegwood only for cleaning stuck-on dirt these days.
Thanks for letting me know, opinion seems to be leaning heavily towards not oiling the pallet fork pivot jewels. I never did in the past, but it's been good to hear everyone's opinion. Thank you for adding yours. Appreciate it.
Got some on order thank you :)
I am the first one in the auction hop i can buy it thx so much for the great video
Good luck! Thank you for the kind words :)
Great work. I appreciate the story of consolidation of the Swiss watch industry / cartel (delete as applicable).
On the subject of the pallet pivot jewel lubrication, the reason I've heard not to is that the lubricant may dry and impair timekeeping. To my mind, it's a non-issue. If the watch is being serviced and cleaned at appropriate intervals, then the chance of the lubricant negatively affecting the watch is minimal. Honestly, I think either would be fine, so I can't see the harm.
When I first got interested in mechanical watches, it was a Tissot automatic Seastar that drew my eye. I'm pleased to say there's a 70's ETA-based example that's joined the collection recently :)
Thank you; that was also my take on the lubrication. It's nice to hear it from someone else. I love old vintage Tissot great watches, and still at a price point I don't have to start an only fans to afford one :)
Some say not to oil those pivots, because it will affect the timekeeping, but I put the least amount of oil I can on them (talking about a vintage watch, I probably wouldn't on a newer one). You have to regulate the timekeeping anyway so why not. I've had watches that wouldn't run unless I oiled the fork pivots. One friend of mine oils all his pivots under a microscope, another just uses a small screwdriver. lol There's an old saying that more damage is done to a watch from folks that don't use enough oil.
I just got a camera for my microscope so hopefully i will do a better job of showing the oiling on the next video, thanks for the words of advice appreciate it.
Great vid my friend. I am told you don’t oil the pallet fork pivots because there is a risk of the oil working it’s way to the balance fork and spraying itself over the hairspring. That being said I can only see that happening if you over oil! Would be interesting to find out from someone with more experience though. Again great vid thanks. 👍
It seems to be that you don't oil, or so people have been saying. I usually don't; I just wanted to check. Like you, I don't see it doing that much harm unless you slosh the stuff on like axe body spray. I'm glad you liked the video :)
Would be great to see how you made your wooden tweezers! I've considered doing the same myself but haven't tried yet
I might just bung that in at the start of a new video I've got a scrap bit a walnut I've been meaning to do something with.
Sir, very nice and informative video. I personally feel that the dial washer is meant to prevent the hour wheel from getting disengaged with the minute wheel when the watch is turned upside down. Since the canon pinion is fixed to the pivot of the center wheel with a click sound, it can not come off that easily. Please correct me if I am wrong.
You are not wrong, did i say something different in the video? If i did the mistake is mine! I must have misspoken Thanks for pointing it out and thank you for the kind words.
I’ve seen some watchmakers on RUclips using acrylic or black plastic sticks to hold pieces while they tighten things down. Maybe that might help.
Yup i'm also going to do this thanks for the tip. I shall be trying this one out for sure
The auction closed and is no longer available on ebay.....can someone advise what this gem went for? Thanks.
Thanks for posting this video. I have the same watch from 1948 but the dial displays the word Antimagnetic instead of Antimagnetique on the dial. It has the same 27 caliber movement. The dial and movement are in very good condition but the case back is badly corroded and will not snap in place anymore. I am not sure what can be done about it. Your video will help guide me in servicing this watch. Thanks!
I'm glad I could help. It's not a hard watch to service; well all of this is hard to learn, but this one is at least one of the easiest types of movements to deal with. Check out my Zenith video; it might give you some tips about case refinishing, and it's a cool watch, so... Thanks for the kind words.
Have you tried plastic instead of peg wood? No possibility of scratches or loose bits.
Thanks for the suggestion I have some component probes on order :)
Fantastic production again.
Ask 3 watchmakers the correct way to oil a watch and you’ll get 8 different opinions…If I was putting this watch together I like the idea of giving a nod to the watch making ancestors by doing it their way. As to the general principle to oil pallet pivots who knows? The old masters say no, but seiko often says yes. I don’t, even though the story the oil could migrate down the pivot, along the pallet fork and onto the balance jewel seems unlikely to me.
It seems unlikely to me as well. Thank you for the advice nice of you to take the time.
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I was asking the teacher at my watch making class about oiling the pivots this evening. His thought was the pivot only travels a few degrees, so it’s not needed. To my mind those few degrees every tic probably make it one of the most traveled pivots, must be as much as the escape wheel? Im going to the books.
He’s not a believer in the oil migration story either.
Awesome thank you for that, it seems most people are in agreement that it's not needed, on a modern watch i'd say don't. But yes on an old vintage watch I'm not so sure...
Reading Practical Watch Repairing by Donald de Carle and The Watch Repair Manual by the great Henry B Fried, the both say to lightly oil the pallet pivots. Interestingly they talk about the danger of getting oil on the roller jewel if you use an oiler to flip the pallet fork, nothing to do with piling the pivots. I think I’m going to oil pallet pivots on older watches
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Thank you!
Beautiful camera work. What camera(s) are you using for these close up shots?
I use Sony HDR-CX405 one of which is fitted with a RAYNOX DCR-250 the cameras are not a great user experience but they where within my budget
@@Saving-Time Nice! How much working space do you get between camera with the macro and the watch?
About 2 inches i'm not joking it's a pain in the backside, definitely better camera options out there if you have the money
great work but had to mute it.
how much do these watches usually run for?
If you're asking how long it runs between windings, it's about 40 hours, give or take. If you are asking how much you should pay for one, it depends on the seller's reputation, if it's been serviced, what sort of condition it's in, etc. I've seen them go for all sorts of prices. Beware anyone selling them as WW2 watches. Tissot never sold to the military, and the black dial versions are not worth more money; you'll often see people advertising them as super rare when they are not. There is one with this movement on Etsy right now, unserviced, for €720. It's also 32 mm, which lowers the resale value a bit. Also, if someone is asking the same price as a good vintage Omega, run away. Do the research. I can't give you an exact price as I'm selling this one, so it would not be fair of me to do so.
@@Saving-Time I have another question; i am a 20 year old student in Belarus, from Australia, i am looking to buy a nice watch from perhaps soviet times. I came across the Poljot 3017 chronograph, and i was wanting to inquire as to what your opinion is about the watch.
The Poljot 3017 is based on the Venus 150 I like the watch and the movement its solid IMO. Chronographs are expensive to service though so I'd take that into account when buying.
@@Saving-Time thanks for the help. I will consider the costs, but servicing it won't be a big deal, as the Belarusian watch 'servicemen' typically don't charge extensively, more likely, the exact opposite.
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3.6 beat error is too much !
The watch self starts every time, it keeps great time, and the amplitude is good. rebanking is also not happening, so tell me what problems I am going to see from this beat error, and why would it be worth breaking or loosening a hairspring collet to correct it?
No case work? 😕
Next time i'll make sure to do a full refurb :)
It’s a Tissot not a Omega then !
Sure as the title of the video says it's an Omega watch Co. Tissot. The same way some Hamiltons where branded Buren / Hamilton or some Rolex have Rolex Tudor on the dial. I thought i made that pretty clear in the video.
thats a cracker
Thank you
Why dose this watch have so many dings and scratches and scrapes
It's 80 years old! Watch my Gruen video if you are interested in how all the scratches are removed.
Service not restoration
Well thank you for pointing that out, really helpful.
Three cameras and captions are distracting. Narrations are non stop and without pause. I wonder how do you breathe
I work out :D